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| Rhynchina obliqualis | 8 Aug 2024 | donhe | ||
| Unidentified | 7 Aug 2024 | PJH123 |
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Hypena masurialis (Guenée, 1854)
11 comments
donhe
wrote:
8 Aug 2024
Kollar's 1844 holotype of Rhynchina obliqualis was lost for a period, during which the replacement name Hypena masurialis Guenée, 1854, was suggested. Subsequently the holotype was found, and so now the junior replacement name is no longer necessary, see
https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/ANNA_96B_0369-0372.pdf
and
https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/61846-hypena-masurialis-in-australia
And who put the 'r' into obliqualis ?
https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/ANNA_96B_0369-0372.pdf
and
https://www.inaturalist.org/posts/61846-hypena-masurialis-in-australia
And who put the 'r' into obliqualis ?
PJH123
wrote:
8 Aug 2024
Rhynchina obliqualis (Kollar, [1844]); Don I believe you are correct. Funet also shows Rhynchina obliqualis (Kollar, [1844]) with the replacement name Hypena masurialis Guenée, 1854 as a synonym. The Australian Faunal Directory uses Rhynchina obliquarlis (Kollar, 1844) and seem to be the ones to introduce the r as it is not in the original description and not used by Funet.
PJH123
wrote:
8 Aug 2024
After all that, looking at the type image in that paper and this statement google translated from the orig description (From the front outer corner, a white stripe runs obliquely through the wing surface to the middle of the rear edge. ) this cannot be Rhynchina obliqualis but looks like Hypena simplicalis as shown on iNats which is not in the Australian Faunal Directory. I will keep looking.
donhe
wrote:
8 Aug 2024
I could not find an image of R. obliqualis in that paper. Can you give a link URL to it please?
donhe
wrote:
9 Aug 2024
The diagonal forewing stripe certainly appears off-white in that photo, whereas yours has a chestnut stripe. That certainly resembles Nick's photo at
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/232203139
but why are they not Hypena subvittalis ?
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/232203139
but why are they not Hypena subvittalis ?
PJH123
wrote:
9 Aug 2024
Don't believe it is Hypena subvittalis. Probably an unnamed species that somehow got referred to on BOLD as Rhynchina obliqualis, described from Kashmir, while iNat decided it was the African species Hypena simplicalis
ibaird
wrote:
12 Aug 2024
The AlA seems to recognise Hypena simplicalis despie the AFD not doing so. The 'snout', to me, seems too short for H. subvittalis, more like H. simplicalis as on iNat and the ALA.
PJH123
wrote:
13 Aug 2024
While I note all are not research grade and there is more than one species illustrated, many matching my specimen are noted as research grade. However, mine seems a variation from the original description, and the BOLD images from Africa (the Type location, Natale a village in Central District of Botswana), in which the line, running from the middle of the inner margin to the Costa well before the apex, is followed by a broad band of lighter colour which in turn is followed by an almost blackish band mostly made up of irregular large dots. The following from iNats seems a good example of Hypena simplicalis.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/58294498
The original description was of a ♀, is mine a ♂, without the lighter area followed by the blackish band or something else?
A further possible problem is the fact that Hypena simplicalis was synonymized with Hypena (Phaleana) lividalis Hübner, 1790 by M. Lödl, 1994 as is shown as such on the funet site but not recognized on the Afromoths.net and Atlas of African Lepidoptera sites.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/58294498
The original description was of a ♀, is mine a ♂, without the lighter area followed by the blackish band or something else?
A further possible problem is the fact that Hypena simplicalis was synonymized with Hypena (Phaleana) lividalis Hübner, 1790 by M. Lödl, 1994 as is shown as such on the funet site but not recognized on the Afromoths.net and Atlas of African Lepidoptera sites.
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- 8 Mar 2024 08:48 PM Recorded on
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Sheldon Unidentified Insects Moths (Lepidoptera) Noctuoid moths (except Arctiinae) PJH123 Greater Brisbane NatureMapr
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